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Perkunas · Jun 07, 2007, 11:04 PM // 23:04

I guess I could say I saw this type of thread coming. With all the talk/whining about "Favor" being tied to PvP, "If you want favor, go PvP and earn it." Now those PvE'ers are trying PvP? Do we know what works in PvP? Do we have the RL money to buy all the unlocks? I don't. How do I learn something? Read about it? Experience is really the only way to learn. Knowing about everything in print, doesn't give you the "know how" to actually use it. What percentage of the players actually visit forums like this to find out what 'build', character or team, is 'needed' to succeed in RA & HA? (To this day, I don't have a clue as to whether or not the last RPG game I played has a site such as GURU or Wiki.)

Today's noobs will be tomorrow's champions.

Clinically Proven · Jun 08, 2007, 01:21 AM // 01:21

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Originally Posted by devilru

There really is no way for a new player to do HA without playing a gimmick, it doesn't require as much co-ordination as balanced and it's fast fame.

Rubbish, that's just the easy way for the lazy people.

I got my rank up to bambi monking for balanced pugs. I asked what the good balanced groups were running (yes pre-obs mode) and what the skillbars were and then made unranked pugs using the same builds. Once I got to rank 3, then I started to branch out and play other chars but still formed my own teams.

chesterocks7 · Jun 15, 2007, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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Originally Posted by Vl Vl D

Its Random Arena for gods sake and if youve been playing a while you should know its RANDOM! Go to TA with your pro guildies if you have a problem with Random Arena.What ever hapened to giving peeps a chance and helping people to learn the game? could it be that some people are to busy with titles or mayby its just simple family values and where your brought up.

How hard would it be to give advise, recomend skills or just say nothing at all instead of spaming NOOB! I think alot of people bring their porblems into this game and could be the reason your so unhappy with all these people not being at your skill level.

amen to that my friend. im so sick of seeing "noob" everwhere. every time someone loses its because everyone else is a noob. anytime someones not happy, everyones a noob. if you mess up, youre a noob. the namecalling and whining is so friggin childish.

Yichi · Jun 15, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by Perkunas

I guess I could say I saw this type of thread coming. With all the talk/whining about "Favor" being tied to PvP, "If you want favor, go PvP and earn it." Now those PvE'ers are trying PvP? Do we know what works in PvP? Do we have the RL money to buy all the unlocks? I don't. How do I learn something? Read about it? Experience is really the only way to learn. Knowing about everything in print, doesn't give you the "know how" to actually use it. What percentage of the players actually visit forums like this to find out what 'build', character or team, is 'needed' to succeed in RA & HA? (To this day, I don't have a clue as to whether or not the last RPG game I played has a site such as GURU or Wiki.)

The favor system has nothing to do with these areas being filled with bad players. Many players will either try to make up their own builds (RA) with no clue as to why they are doing what they are doing, or no clue as to which skills they should put on said bar to make it the most effective. Many people in RA just tend to go in and goof off with builds that will only work in an area like RA. There are a lot of players though that have truly bad builds, and when critiqued on their builds, get told that they know what they are doing and they aren't an idiot, when clearly they are. RA is filled with players with sub-par builds not learning much because they just want to win and rage quit the moment they don't see a monk on their team. HA to a lesser extent is the same. HA has turned into fame farm central with the motto "lets run whatever will get me my emote the fastest" not bothering to learn why certain things will work better in certain areas or why certain play styles are better than others. A lot of the old mechanics that players relied on was map skipping. Now with different game formats, map skipping isn't as much as an issue. The problem with these gimmicks such as ranger spike, rit spike, the new iway, paraway, sf way, etc... is that it doesnt teach players any of the basics of competitive team play as a balanced build would. It teaches them to either c space and auto attack, or being able to press 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4 repetitively. someone who gets their rank8 by playing a rit spiker isn't going to have any idea on how to play an elementalist effectively if asked to bring a snare ele, or if asked to run a rc monk, or a mor/diversion mesmer. They aren't going to have a clue. All they will now how to do is effectively be a rit spiker due to the fact that they know nothing else. This is why some of your newer ranked players are terrible players and the double fame weekends did nothing but to encourage these types of builds and game play. HA, RA, TA, HB, AB now a days are all full of nothing but bad sub-par builds or gimmicks, plain and simple. This is due to lack of player knowledge, lack of player skill, and lack of frequent skill balances.

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Originally Posted by Perkunas

Today's noobs will be tomorrow's champions.

No, todays noobs will only be tomorrows champions because anyone with any real skill will have already left this game and left it to the gimmick farmers that can only run the cheap builds because they arent good enough to run anything else. They try and realize how terrible they are, so instead of improving their gameplay and working to become a better player, they resort back to their gimmick bullshit because that was the only way they could have any attempt at winning anything.

akazukin cha cha · Jun 16, 2007, 12:56 AM // 00:56

I always find that people who use the words "noob", "nub", "nubtrash" ect.. are usually the exact definition of the words they come down on others with..

Funny that people like Yichi and others try and deal with these people, when essentially they post just to see themselves post and pretend others care what they think. The complainers and accusers are such a small minority of the actual playing community, its mind boggling all the attention they get in threads like this.

Why would anyone care if RA is filled with bad players? Its technically what its designed for. If you go there for "practice" you are either new or not learning the proper avenues of pvp progression.

Though I would agree r9 is hardly evidence of being a good player anymore (or ever for that matter) that understands the depth of the game and can play many rolls effectivley that don't use 3,2,1 as their mechanism for winning

It does mean that they did spend alot of time grinding out a useless title under their name though!!! Props!

Honestly alot of the problems with getting 'bad players' often 'title grinding' their way into your "good" teams is easy to solve,TALK TO THEM, and see if they are on the level you need.... I have never had a problem weeding out the trash/clueless/liars from PUG groups by asking them questions about the roles I'd like them to play and seeing how they answer. Time spent grinding out some shiny title does not equate to skill, and never did. BUT it sure saves alot of "having to talk to people because you are socially inept" time, when forming a team....right? >.>

But hey, I don't use forums as my daily 'feel better about myself tonic'. It'd be nice if people learned to solve their own problems before posting them here though!

cha cha

assassin_of_ni · Jun 16, 2007, 05:03 AM // 05:03

theres essentially noobs wherever you go....whether be it urgoz, the deep, ra, ha, ab, hb.....and theres a few good ones mixed in but theyre hard to find.

ArKaiN · Jun 16, 2007, 06:00 AM // 06:00

You know, every time I read a thread like this, I feel like going into RA with my 55 Spell Breaker monk and just pissing people off. On both teams.
Learn not to take the game so seriously. Specially if you're in RA.

JonnyWarhawk · Jun 16, 2007, 07:53 AM // 07:53

Hey, I'm a noob. I found this offensive.